Monday, April 4, 2011

Deconversion Story

I was raised by Christians, grew up learning to believe what my parents believed. In middle school, I really started to get serious about what I believed. I decided that it really did matter what I believed and that I needed to take those beliefs seriously. I became very active in the church.

I continued to become more and more serious about what I believed, because I saw God as being the most important thing in my life, indeed, in the universe. It was around this time that I started listening to a preacher named “John Piper” who taught me that my purpose in life was to glorify God, and that God was most glorified in me when I was most satisfied in him.

Through middle school and high school I wanted only to be close to God, I tried to worship him and bring him glory in all that I did. I “prayed without ceasing”, as the Bible says.

In the hallways at school walking from class to class, before and after school I would walk the halls, praying over the school and asking God to do great works in that place. When I went home, I would read my Bible, which I carried with me at all times, in my backpack or pocket. At one point, I regularly spent 7 hours a day praying and reading the Bible and worshiping God. I downloaded sermons online. I read the Bible, and Bible study books. I went to church at least 3 times a week. Everything in my life was saturated with God and with my religion.

Additionally, I did everything I could to keep my mind and body “pure”. Whenever I failed, I felt ashamed and horrible and I was disgusted by myself for even thinking “sinful” thoughts.

Later in high school, I became more and more obsessed with religion. I wanted so desperately to feel close to God, that I started to convince myself that I was actually hearing the voice of God, and even the voice of Satan. God “revealed himself” to me in a variety of ways.

At first, it was just minor, relatively harmless things. I saw patterns in the world. Good things would happen that I would attribute to God, and bad things would happen that were either tests from God or attacks from Satan.

It wasn’t long before I started attributing thoughts to God. I externalized my thoughts and desires and attributed those to God, but at the time, I didn’t understand what I was doing, so I thought that God was actually planting these thoughts in my head.

Eventually, this became extremely dangerous. I started to hallucinate, and attribute those hallucinations to God’s work. I saw visions, I heard God and Satan speak audibly to me. I believed that both were at work in my life, and that I was caught in the middle of “spiritual warfare”.

I talked to several people in the church about this, and to my parents, and everyone I spoke to was encouraging of these thoughts. They believed that God was doing great things in me. They also believed, as I did, that Satan was trying to strike back at me because he saw what great potential I had to do good works in the name of God.

Eventually, God started to tell me some very strange things. For a long time, I had a crush on this girl who was a few years younger than me, but never acted upon it because of her age. In high school, I finally started talking to her, and we became fairly good friends. It was around this time that I really started to think that God was speaking to me, and I started to believe that God was telling me that I would fall in love with and marry this girl.

At some point, I told her this, and she probably thought I was crazy (who can blame her) so she stopped talking to me, and wanted nothing to do with me. I was so embarrassed by this that I stopped wanting to go to church. I still believed in God, and still spent hours reading my Bible and praying. But without the constant reinforcement that I received from my church, and now having the prophesies that God gave me proven false, I started to question what I really believed.

I still heard the voice of God from time to time, but I was less sure about aspects of religion that I had grown up believing. I started to question, and that led me into a depression, and then the voice of Satan started to become more powerful.

At its worst, I remember standing over a cliff in the middle of the Grand Canyon. I had climbed up a rocky hill in my sandals, tearing up my feet on the way, and heard the voice of Satan telling me that I was worthless and couldn’t do anything right, and that I might as well kill myself. I rejected that voice though.

At the time, I attributed the strength that saved me to God, but such attribution is unnecessary and unjustified. I saved myself from that fate. I knew in some part of my mind that I was just as worthy as any other person, and that I didn’t need the approval of anyone, much less this invisible force. But I couldn’t accept that knowledge yet, and so I continued to try to believe in God despite all that had happened.

I did start questioning what I believed though. I started reading the Bible and thinking about things from a different perspective. Rather than start with a conclusion, and look for supporting evidence, I started with the evidence and followed it where it led.

Stephen King has said, about writing, that it can’t be something that is forced, you can’t push characters along and railroad them into doing whatever you want them to. You must present them with a situation and allow them to play it out naturally. Knowledge and science must work the same way. We must start with evidence and see where it leads. I wasn’t ready to let go of God because I had known him all my life. I grew up with him. But I started asking “who is this ‘God’?” I wanted to get to know him honestly rather than project all of my own preconceptions onto him.

The first thing to go, was my belief in Hell. I decided that there was no way that any loving, intelligent, powerful creator would have any need for an eternal torture chamber. It’s just absurd, and if my God was truly loving and forgiving, everyone would be welcome into his heaven from myself, to Gandhi, to Adolf Hitler. In my search for who God was, though…all I seemed to figure out was a bunch of things that God couldn’t be. He wasn’t a God who sponsored any kind of Hell. He couldn’t be the God of the Bible, because the more I read of that God, the worse I realized he was. And he couldn’t be the God who had spoken his prophesies to me, because those prophesies had been proven false. So what God did I have left?

Maybe I couldn’t believe in any kind of God at all.

I wanted to believe in God, but the God I believed in didn’t match any kind of God I’d ever heard of before. The deistic God that I was left with didn’t have any use for me, and was indistinguishable from a God that didn’t exist. Maybe that was it after all. Maybe the God I believed in simply didn’t exist. After all, the God who I had believed in through high school certainly didn’t exist. As Richard Dawkins puts it I was an “atheist with regard to so many gods.” Maybe it was time for me to go “one God further”.

My first glimpse at godless philosophy came before this, actually. I think it was in my Junior year of high school. In an American Lit. class that year, I was exposed to transcendentalism, naturalism, and Edgar Allen Poe. These three very different things all had the same basic effect on me. They started to open my eyes to new ways of thinking. While I did not accept naturalism or transcendentalism as true, I was fascinated by the concepts, and some small parts of them did ring true to me.

Reading Edgar Allen Poe opened me up to the horror genre, which I fell in love with. I started reading authors like Stephen King and Chuck Palahniuk, who first introduced me to nihilism. I disagreed strongly with nihilism, as I thought my life had a very specific purpose, but something about it really attracted me from the very beginning.

Perhaps even then some part of me recognized the truth that there is no intrinsic meaning to life. The idea that we are simply here, and our lives are what we make of them, and we can give our lives meaning by living for what we love and value. Or perhaps I was just a rebellious youth who was fascinated by anything that went against the authority of what I believed.

I rather prefer to think it was the former.

When I finally started questioning what I believed, I remembered these things that I had been so interested in back then, and I looked them up again. I immediately threw out much of transcendentalism, because a lot of it is quasi-spiritual nonsense, but I kept coming back to nihilism.

So…what was left for me in this life? No God meant no meaning. No God meant no morality. No God meant no afterlife. No God meant this was all I had. But this life was awful. This life sucked. I was living this life just to get to the next, and what was the point if this was all I had.

I became very depressed following my realization that there was no God, but eventually, I came around and saw the beauty of the world. I realized that nothing had really changed in me except what I believed. And that had such great repercussions. It meant I was free. It meant I got to enjoy life now, and I didn’t have to wait for an afterlife. But I was still moral. I hadn’t gone out killing and stealing and committing crimes and sins and horrible deeds. I still had joy, I loved writing and reading and talking to friends.

I could live a better life now than I ever had with religion. I could love, I could live, I could laugh and enjoy life. I was free to live my life happily and to love others and do what I could to ensure that they were also free to be happy. And that is exactly what I intended to do.

Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Deconversion Conversation

This is a conversation I had with someone in IRC. It is unedited except for the removal of the name of the person I was talking to, because I haven't gotten his/her permission to share it:


[02:52] xxxxxx> lol imagine some idiot theist about to die and waiting so patiently for an afterlife...


[02:53] xxxxxx> It almost is sad and painful to imagine.


[02:54] xxxxxx> I can't believe people can live their lives like that. It baffles me.


[02:54] sexyfunkymonkie> i lived my life like that for a while


[02:54] sexyfunkymonkie> it's scary


[02:55] xxxxxx> I'm glad that when I was religious that I wasn't really into it much, and didn't really think about it much. I went to church and believed in God. Never really examined what I believed. Examined what I believed and found out there is no evidence to back it up.


[02:56] sexyfunkymonkie> sadly, i was not the same


[02:56] sexyfunkymonkie> i was always afraid of hell though


[02:56] sexyfunkymonkie> as a theist


[02:57] sexyfunkymonkie> only when i stoped believing did that go away


[02:57] sexyfunkymonkie> i was also afraid of heaven


[02:57] sexyfunkymonkie> i was scared to die and go to heaven


[02:57] sexyfunkymonkie> i dont know of anyone else who is afraid of taht


[02:57] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[02:57] xxxxxx> That sucks. Some people have the worst time just denying their religion. Or even leaving it. I know mormonism and islam is pretty hard to get out of.


[02:57] sexyfunkymonkie> i was afraid that i would get there, and i wouldnt have been good enough for god


[02:58] sexyfunkymonkie> and we would have this weird, awkward relationship where i was living in his paradice, even though we both knew i didnt deserve to be there


[02:58] sexyfunkymonkie> isnt that a fucked up thing for a kid to think about?


[02:58] xxxxxx> Yeah it is.


[02:59] sexyfunkymonkie> it's like...not fear of retribution, just fear of disappointing god


[02:59] sexyfunkymonkie> also, i was really jealous of god


[02:59] sexyfunkymonkie> well, not really of ghod


[02:59] sexyfunkymonkie> god


[02:59] sexyfunkymonkie> i was jealous of other believers


[02:59] sexyfunkymonkie> cause i wanted to be close to god, i wanted to be his "best friend" or whatever, lol


[03:00] sexyfunkymonkie> i was like a fucking stalker child, lol


[03:00] sexyfunkymonkie> i wanted god all to myself


[03:00] xxxxxx> lol


[03:00] sexyfunkymonkie> its fucking weird


[03:00] sexyfunkymonkie> but...that's how i felt


[03:00] sexyfunkymonkie> it's super unhealthy


[03:00] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:00] xxxxxx> I remember as a kid I was always really scared of demons and hell.


[03:01] sexyfunkymonkie> i was scared of other religions hells


[03:01] sexyfunkymonkie> i was like reverse-pascal's wagering as a kid


[03:01] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:01] sexyfunkymonkie> i was always afraid id find out that it was the muslim god who was real


[03:01] sexyfunkymonkie> so id go to his hell


[03:01] sexyfunkymonkie> something like that


[03:02] sexyfunkymonkie> it was when i realized "they are all the same" that's when i was like...wait...so MY god would send people to that same hell im so afraid of?


[03:02] sexyfunkymonkie> i had never really thought of it that way


[03:02] xxxxxx> I never thought about that stuff. I always took Christianity as real, and I didn't really pay attention to other people's beliefs. I just accepted mine as true. I really didn't even think about religion that much. I never really thought about custom just about God heaven and hell.


[03:03] sexyfunkymonkie> lol, you're lucky then


[03:03] sexyfunkymonkie> haha


[03:03] sexyfunkymonkie> i was OBSESSED


[03:03] sexyfunkymonkie> at one point i spent 7 hours a day in my room praying and reading the bible and "worshiping" god


[03:03] sexyfunkymonkie> cause i was obsessed with trying to feel close to god


[03:04] xxxxxx> wow


[03:04] xxxxxx> Are your parents fundamentalists?


[03:04] sexyfunkymonkie> lol, they are now


[03:04] sexyfunkymonkie> the fucked up thing, was that they just kinda went to church and weren't really big on religion


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> then i got way into it


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> and so they kind of followed me


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> they started investing more into it


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> and got really extreme


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> though, i dont think that even they were ever as extreme as i was


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> and then i managed to get out of it


[03:05] sexyfunkymonkie> they did not


[03:05] xxxxxx> How did you turn to a nonbeliever?


[03:05] hah, 1 sec


[03:06] sexyfunkymonkie> that's kind of a fucked up story


[03:06] sexyfunkymonkie> brb


[03:07] sexyfunkymonkie> well, before i could get out, i had to get deeper in


[03:07] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:07] xxxxxx> oh


[03:08] sexyfunkymonkie> like i said, i wanted to be close to god more than anything


[03:08] sexyfunkymonkie> and i was so stressed out and scared because i just didnt really feel anything


[03:08] sexyfunkymonkie> and i just needed to hear from god, i needed direction or encouragement or something


[03:08] sexyfunkymonkie> i was on a mission trip to Mexico with my church one summer


[03:09] sexyfunkymonkie> and on the trip we would go out and "witness" and do community service and stuff, then at night, we'd come back to the base and have worship services


[03:10] sexyfunkymonkie> one night, we were all singing about how great jeebus was and all that jazz


[03:10] sexyfunkymonkie> and i was going crazy, cause i just felt so emotional, but i really didnt feel connected to god


[03:11] sexyfunkymonkie> and i needed to hear from god and i was so emotional, off in this strange place, foreign country, all that


[03:11] sexyfunkymonkie> at some point i dropped to my knees and looked up at the pulpit, and i just saw fire everywhere


[03:12] sexyfunkymonkie> all i could see was fire


[03:12] sexyfunkymonkie> and i heard a voice in my head that said something like "more than just a friend, more than just a savior, a KING"


[03:12] sexyfunkymonkie> idk exactly, i have it written down in a journal


[03:12] sexyfunkymonkie> but basically i was halucinating


[03:13] sexyfunkymonkie> for the next part, its probably important to know that I have sleep paralysis from time to time


[03:13] sexyfunkymonkie> which is like waking up and not being able to move, halucinating, things like that


[03:14] sexyfunkymonkie> i only had it a couple times as a child, but more often now that im a bit older


[03:14] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway, one of the first times i remember experiencing this was the next morning


[03:14] sexyfunkymonkie> i woke up in bed to my leg shaking violently


[03:14] sexyfunkymonkie> and then my whole body just seizing up


[03:15] sexyfunkymonkie> and there was some kind of demon trying to enter my body


[03:15] sexyfunkymonkie> and i tried to scream and jump up, but i couldnt


[03:15] sexyfunkymonkie> and then suddenly, the demon rose out of me, i sat up in bed and everything was perfectly normal


[03:16] sexyfunkymonkie> and my friend was in the bed next to me, so i woke him up cause i was scared shitless


[03:16] sexyfunkymonkie> and i was like "how did you sleep through that?"


[03:16] sexyfunkymonkie> he was like "wtf are you talking about"


[03:16] sexyfunkymonkie> i was like "idk, i think i just had a seizure or something"


[03:16] sexyfunkymonkie> now i know what it actually was, but at the time, i thought a demon was trying to possess me


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> ANYWAY


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> i told all this to my mom (who was with me on the trip)


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> and to our youth pastor (who i was really close friends with as well)


[03:17] xxxxxx> This all has to do with you converting?


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> yes, sorry


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> you're getting the long version


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> i'll speed it up


[03:17] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:17] xxxxxx> np go ahead I'm interested to hear.


[03:18] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway, those two did what is possibly the greatest injustice anyone has ever done to me in my life


[03:18] sexyfunkymonkie> they encouraged it


[03:18] sexyfunkymonkie> they thought it was just great that i was (totally fucking delusional) recieving messages from god


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> so after that, this started to happen from time to time


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> never as vividly


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> well, that's not true


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> a couple of times it was just as vivid


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> id have dreams, or think i heard a voice speaking to me durring worship


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> whatever


[03:19] sexyfunkymonkie> god was speaking to me


[03:20] sexyfunkymonkie> (my subconscious was manifesting in halucinations)


[03:20] sexyfunkymonkie> and so as time went on, god started to tell me some weirder, more specific things


[03:20] xxxxxx> I so hope you don't cop out and be like "one day I read the god delusion, and the end"


[03:20] sexyfunkymonkie> weirdest and most specific had to do with this girl who i had a major crush on at the time


[03:20] sexyfunkymonkie> oh, no


[03:20] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:21] sexyfunkymonkie> so, anyway, i had had a crush on this girl for years, but she was much younger than me, so i didnt ever act on it


[03:21] sexyfunkymonkie> i was a freshman in high school at this point, and she was like a 6th-7th grader


[03:21] sexyfunkymonkie> something like that


[03:22] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway, i finally started talking to her and we became really good friends


[03:22] xxxxxx> I said converted no turned to a preist.


[03:22] sexyfunkymonkie> and then things got weird


[03:22] xxxxxx> not*


[03:22] xxxxxx> go on


[03:22] sexyfunkymonkie> because god told me that i was meant to marry her


[03:23] sexyfunkymonkie> go ahead and facepalm


[03:23] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:23] xxxxxx> So what happened?


[03:23] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway, we continued to be friends and stuff


[03:23] sexyfunkymonkie> oh, she had a boyfriend at the time


[03:23] sexyfunkymonkie> important side-note


[03:23] sexyfunkymonkie> XD


[03:24] xxxxxx> Wow. A boyfriend in middleschool. kids these days.


[03:24] sexyfunkymonkie> i tried to convince her to leave her boyfriend and shit, (he was an asshole)


[03:24] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:24] sexyfunkymonkie> but anyway...


[03:24] xxxxxx> They're always assholes.


[03:24] sexyfunkymonkie> i think she might have actually broken up with him


[03:24] sexyfunkymonkie> idek


[03:24] sexyfunkymonkie> but the point was, at some point, i told her that god had said i was going to marry her


[03:25] sexyfunkymonkie> and she did the appropriate thing to do, and decided she never wanted to speak to me again


[03:25] xxxxxx> I wonder if I told some hot fundie chick this if she would believe me.


[03:25] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:25] sexyfunkymonkie> do not use my deconversion story to try and get laid through prophesy


[03:25] sexyfunkymonkie> XD


[03:25] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway


[03:26] xxxxxx> lol


[03:26] sexyfunkymonkie> i tried to contact this girl a time or two, but her brother (who i was friends with at the time) told me that if i didnt leave her alone, he'd have to kick my ass


[03:27] sexyfunkymonkie> this did not make me lose faith, however


[03:27] sexyfunkymonkie> what it did do was make me leave the church


[03:27] sexyfunkymonkie> forced me out, in a way


[03:27] sexyfunkymonkie> as i was much too embarrassed by all that had gone on to go to church anymore


[03:27] xxxxxx> lol


[03:27] sexyfunkymonkie> people knew what had happened somehow, though she always sweared that she had told no one


[03:28] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway, outside of the neverending reinforcement of church


[03:28] sexyfunkymonkie> i started to question things


[03:29] sexyfunkymonkie> "What do I really believe?"


[03:29] sexyfunkymonkie> if the god who i thought was speaking to me was wrong about this...then what else was I wrong about?


[03:29] sexyfunkymonkie> because obviously, i'm probably not going to marry this girl


[03:29] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:30] xxxxxx> And then that's it?


[03:30] sexyfunkymonkie> anyway, as i had said, ive always been afraid of the afterlife


[03:30] sexyfunkymonkie> nope, more


[03:30] sexyfunkymonkie> XD


[03:31] sexyfunkymonkie> so i started to wonder, "What do I actually believe about the afterlife?"


[03:31] sexyfunkymonkie> and I realized how fucked up the concept of hell was


[03:31] sexyfunkymonkie> how could anyone believe it was right and just for people to be tortured forever for their sins


[03:32] sexyfunkymonkie> and so i decided for a while, that i was still a christian, but i thought that since jesus had died for our sins, everyone was going to heaven


[03:32] sexyfunkymonkie> and "accepting him" was just some nonsense put out by the church to get people to come


[03:32] sexyfunkymonkie> (i wish more christians actually believed THAT btw)


[03:32] sexyfunkymonkie> lol


[03:33] sexyfunkymonkie> but eventually I found some atheist videos on youtube


[03:33] sexyfunkymonkie> and they pointed out how the creation story was just as ridiculous as the concept of hell


[03:33] sexyfunkymonkie> and piece by piece the entire thing fell apart


[03:34] xxxxxx> good


[03:34] sexyfunkymonkie> i then went into nihilistic depression for a while


[03:34] sexyfunkymonkie> until i decided that i didnt need god to give me purpose, damn it!


[03:34] sexyfunkymonkie> id make my own


[03:34] sexyfunkymonkie> and hedonism took over XD


[03:34] sexyfunkymonkie> and now i just live to enjoy life, and to help others enjoy life as well


[03:35] sexyfunkymonkie> true story


[03:35] sexyfunkymonkie> that's about it


[03:35] sexyfunkymonkie> it's a bit anti-climactic but at least no Dues ex Dawkins


[03:35] sexyfunkymonkie> amirite?